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union" howard kurtz breaks it down with his reliable sources. >> reporter: he was portrayed a as politician and celebrity. a liberal lion and a bipartisan dealmaker. a tabloid figure and the link to two murdered brothers. ted kennedy's passing reverberated across the media landscape prompting an outpouring of tributes, recollection and praise. even in death he was larger than life. what struck me is the personal tone from anchors, correspondents who covered kennedy, socialized with kennedy and who were befriended by ted kennedy. >> that smile, that trademark smile through his entire 15-month battle with breast cancer. >> i'm a type ii diabetic, he called me. he called me right after i had an attack of hyphypoglycemia, h
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was trying to tell me about all the friends who had the same situation. >> we would be up having tropical drinks at night, bellowing with stories. >> he was leading me, helping me, editorially helping me, emotionally. >> my father was diagnosed with a rare, nasty cancer. he's fighting it off, still in remission, tough, but senator kennedy heard about that. he called me at home. he gave me the names of one of the world's foremost experts in treatment. he said he's expecting your calling. i just talked to him. >> have the media portrayed an honest view of kennedy's life? joining us in new york, joe klein, columnist for "time" magazine. here in washington, david broader, columnist for the "washington post." thomas olyphant, former columnist for the boston globe. in boston, emily rooney. joe klein, you described your
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relationship with ted kennedy over the years as affectionate. he first met him back in 1970. what was he like to deal with over the years? >> i also said in that same sentence that we were not friends. it was a professional relationship. but it lasted 40 years. when i first met him, he was not the guy that many of journalists came to know. i met him right after the accident, he was very wary of the press, very awkward in public. it took -- you know, he didn't start becoming the kennedy that -- who was really praised this week until after he ran for president in 1980. >> emily what was it like for you to cover such a dominant figure? >> it's funny that he said kennedy was wary of the press.
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to me, he was unaware of who the personal journalists was. my husband was a journalist at the abc affiliate in boston. he a heart attack and died the summer of 1997. ted kennedy showed up at the hospital room. not only did he know who my husband was, but described how he behaved at press conferences. he said kirby was always in the background, jumping up and down and wanted to have the best perspective from the back of the room. that sets you back as a journalist when you have a personal connection with somebody so important in your life that you cover almost every day as a working journalist and then he intersects with your life. to hear so many stories like that has been profound. >> many journalists had those kinds of experience. you first met ted in jfk's 1960 campaign what was he like in the early day? >> he was a callow youth, but a
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charmer. they sent him to one of the toughest parts of west virginia, he tackled it by going out and taking face to face with everybody that he could possibly meet and said give my brother a chance. give him a chance. >> did you envision him as a future senator at that point? >> no. >> tom olyphant, was kennedy good at working the press? >> hometown, national. one thing, he didn't need the press to have name recognition. >> that is true. >> he didn't need the press to get attention for any proposal or speech he wanted to make. >> unlike, say, the other 99 senators. he was so famous. >> that's right. he was a notorious no-show on sunday morning, at least until recent years. he didn't need to go. yet he had gone through one rough experience with us after another. his campaign and a half '62 was actually ugly. especially the primary.
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he had not been in office for more than a year when he made one of the biggest political mistakes of his life, putting a hack friend of his father's up for a federal judgeship that cost him about a year, then chapaquitic two years after that. he was used to rough treatment. my experience from '69 forward was that he relished it. he loved the combat. he loved to argue with you. he was not afraid to come back, challenge you when he didn't like what you wrote. he was a transition. this is not like bob kennedy, president kennedy from a different era. this guy liked the game. >> let me go back to joe. what struck me, on the first day, when they had the bio pieces, things like ted kennedy kicked out of harvard for cheating. in the second day, it was -- he was a legend already, it seems to me in the coverage. do you feel, since this guy did have certainly negative aspects
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to his career, that kennedy has been lionized by the press. >> i think he was justifiably lionized. he just died, for god sakes. the bad stuff was mentioned, not dwelled upon, though some conservative commentators did. he was a very, very human being. i think that over time this past week the stuff that will be remembered about ted dendky is not so much chapaquitic as the legislation that he passed. i think for many of us it was such a personal experience to cover kennedy, that those were the things, those personal experiences were the things that we dwelled on. i was with him the day he was pelted with tomatoes by a crowd of anti-bussing protesters in boston's city hall.
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you know we reflected on that later. he talked personally about how he didn't hold it against them. that they and the poor blacks were being asked to carry the burden of this social experiment and the rich kids in the suburbs were getting off scott free. so i think those are the sorts of things that we remember about him. it is not -- this isn't the time to relitigate chapaquitic. this is the time to remember the man for what he accomplished. >>ly relitigate it a bit. let me play for you, it's 40 year now after the accident, let's look at some of what ted kennedy had to say after that traged tragedy. >> these events, the publicity, innuendo which have surrounded them, my admission of guilt this morning raises the question in
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my mind of whether my standing among the people of my state has been so impaired that i should resign my seat in the united states senate. >> emily that was a tragedy that would have ended the career of just about anybody else. so aren't we as journalists -- sure, there's a natural reluctance to bring up negative things when people pass away, but isn't that part of the story as well? >> i think people did bring it up. the kennedys have left an incredible archive of video behind them. they have been recorded since their birth, each one of them. this episode appeared on every national and local television station across the country. it was the 40th anniversary of chappaquiddic and the 40th anniversary of woodstock. and ted kennedy was dying. to bring that up repeatedly. but i certainly saw it in every single obituary, every single
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biography, every single piece that was replayed. it was an important chapter in his life. the people of massachusetts have never forgotten about chappaquiddick. a third of the people of massachusetts never voted for him. frankly never vote for a kennedy, largely because of that and other issues, for instance his position on abortion. >> david, watching the funeral procession reach arlington last night remained me of that terrible weekend in 1963. do journalists say, over 55, look at ted kennedy and talk about ted kennedy without talking about the prism of john kennedy and rfk? >> i think so. he carved out such a different role for himself. his brothers never were really important figures in the united states senate. and he became a dominant figure
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in the united states senate. and he became much more of a populist leader than either robert or john kennedy had been. >> ironically, tom, for a guy remembered for eloquent speeches. ted kennedy when you interviewed him, could be rather inarticulate. i want to play the 1979 cbs interview with roger mudd, when kennedy was asked a noncurveball president, why do you want to be president. >> why do you want to be president? >> well, i'm -- i'm -- were i to make the announcement, and to run, the reasons that i would run is because i have a great belief in this country. that it is -- is more natural resources than any nation in the world. hat greatest educated population
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in the world, the greatest technology of anyone in the world. >> it's painful to watch now. what was it -- >> can you answer the trivia question what that show was up against that night? >> i do not know. >> the commercial network premiere of "jaws." roger's interview is metaphor not tree ring act, though he was usually much more inarticulate than that. whenever he would have a good day, those of us who were condemned to cover the presidential campaign from start to finish would joke that somebody had given him a basket full of verbs. and that helped him get through the day. one time i collected a bunch of his -- just did a long quotation to give people a sense of how inarticulate he could be. this is another one of those occasions when he just blew a gasket. but at the same time thought it was hilarious because he knew he was guilty. >> let me play a bit from one other clip. this is 1987, senator kennedy on
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the nomination to the supreme court of robert bourque. >> in robert bourque's america there is no room at the inn for blacks and no place in the constitution for women and in our america there should be no seat on the supreme court for robert bourque. >> joe klein, in a floor speech, kennedy said in robert bourque's america, blacks would sit at segregated lunch counters, how do we square that kind of partisanship with the bipartisan dealmaking for what he was justifiably famous for? >> i think that, you know, until recently, those two were not mutely exclusive. you could do both. could i make a point on his tongue-tiedness? >> it seemed to me he became a lot more at ease with himself and at east with answering questions almost immediately
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after he was eliminated from the presidential competition. i was with him the day that he lost new hampshire, the first kennedy losing in new england. he lost the new hampshire primary to jimmy carter. that night he gave a rip-roaring ad hoc speech. after that i think he seemed to loosen up because the pressure was no longer on him. yes, at times he could be wildly partisan, passionately partisan. at times he could be demagogic as he was with bourque. that was in public. in private, you know, there was -- he was a different guy. he worked small rooms better than either of his brothers. >> right. >> his brothers worked big rooms better than he did. >> emily, putting on your media critic hat, don't many journalists identify with kennedy's causes? could a republican senator got anything approaching these tributes in the past five days. >> i don't think there's anybody
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like ted kennedy. i was trying to think of any living president, i don't think at this point, would get the kind of attention. which one? if george bush 1 or 2 died tomorrow, i don't know that they would get the same accolades. i also want to jump in on the articulateness of kennedy no matter what question you asked him, he picked an answer and started going. then he started looking down. he would stop looking at you in the eye. you couldn't interrupt him and say, in what a second, senator. he went off script. he was much better on script. >> we have to get a break. when we come back, we'll talk about whether the media coverage has gone overboard. as we go to break, let's look at commemorative issues of time and "newsweek" on the life of edward kennedy. some people buy a car based on the deal they get.
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. a look at some of the nation's front pages a day after ted kennedy's death. today i counted nine stories and columns in the "washington post" about kennedy. the story has been inescapable from prime time coverage to cable coverage to yesterday's funeral. head kennedy's death has dominated television for days. >> good evening. tonight, in the nation marks the end of an era in american politics and the end of an
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unprecedented family dynasty. >> good evening from the kennedy compound. >> this is nbc "nightly news" we are continuing our special coverage of this story from the kennedy family compound in massachusetts. >> right now we'll get a unique look of ted kennedy. >> even though the shots of the motorcade making its way to arlington national cemetery got live coverage, all part of the melodrama? >> yes, but i think we almost missed one element of the story that broke last night that was the release of the letter that he had president obama hand pope benedict. a letter more from penatant to priest. it showed a vulnerability and an awareness of sin.
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we will hear more about this when his memoir is released, but i think this is an example of the preparations, overwhelming. and i would have liked to have seen more attention to that letter and reply. >> have been a lot of television segments, print stories asking this question about who will now assume the leadership, the mantle of camelot. it strikes me as a bogus question because at this point ted kennedy sort of irreplaceable. >> right in many ways ted kennedy saw his older brother, john kennedy, in barack obama. barack obama is a similar, cool politician. charismatic in the way his older brother was. there are, you know, really interesting, wonderful courageous politicians coming up through the ranks. and there will be another one. i would like to ask -- that bourque speech is still kind of digging at me.
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i can -- i'd like to ask david and tom a question, if i could. that is the ted kennedy who was the compromiser in the senate, it's my recollection -- i may be wrong -- that that began to happen later in the -- starting in the late '80s, '90s. the last 20 years, rather than the first 20 years, especially after his 1980 speech at the national democratic convention when he was the liberal lion. >> david, you answer that, because we're short on time. >> i think it was a combination of two things. one, he was an emotional politician before he was an intellectual politician. two, somebody on his staff wrote that inflammatory rhetoric, and in that moment he did not have the sense to tone it down. >> emily rooney, as we look at the larger question here as to
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whether these five days of coverage has gone overboard, we have to remember this was not just a senator, but a kennedy, a celebrity, a tabloid figure, all of that. true? >> overboard compared to what? compared to the coverage of michael jackson? i should say not. something the local stations did here, starting in the he would morning hours of wednesday, they blew out coverage, went wall to wall without commercials. that was going on until 8:00 last night. one of the letters that did get a lot of attention was the letter he sent the thursday before he died to the local leadership here on beacon hill asking that his seat be temporarily replaced by the governor, instead of waiting 143 days for a special election. that's gotten a tremendous amount of attention. >> thank you very much for helping us remember ted kennedy this morning. coming up in the second half of "reliable sources" life after
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above the mountains of los angeles. residents of several nearby communities have been told to evacuate. allegations of fraud in afghanistan's election have doubled in the last two days. officials says there are 2,500 complaints. they include allegations of voter intimidation and ballot stuffing. the latest tall lay sees hamid karzai with a sizable lead over his rival. president obama is scheduled to fly back to washington this afternoon. yesterday he travelled to boston to deliver the eulogy at senator ted kennedy's funeral. that and more ahead on "state of the union." it was a nice ride while it lasted. america was living life on the bubble. a stock market bubble, a housing bubble that created a whole lot of wealth for a whole lot of
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people until the bubble popped, the economy nose-dived, investment banks crumbled, the rest of us were left to pick up the pieces. are the media too quick to claim a new era? kurt anderson has a new book on the subject called "reset." i spoke to him earlier from new york. >> kurt anderson, welcome. >> happy to be here. >> you say we've been living through a guilded age that came to a spectacular halt last year. didn't the media push the big houses, play the stock market, get rich quick, all of that? >> the media played a big job. magazines certainly for the last 25 years, which is more or less the length of era we're talking about, were so much about aspiration as the term of art went. creating a fantasy world that people should aspire to be part of. so, absolutely. those luxury brands were a big
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die-hard foundation of a lot of those magazines and media. >> the advertising that rolled in. most news organizations, with few exceptions, did not warn us sufficiently that the economy and big banks were dangerously overextended. let's talk about the new era. politicians don't like to ask people to sacrifice. i'm not sure the media do, either. you don't get a great cover story out of don't buy that house or stick with boring municipal bonds. >> no, that's true. and in that sense all of us in our -- in the media and out of it, just normal joes, were part of this great denial. it felt pretty good. there was a recession or two along the way, but as people looked at the 401(k)s, the house prices increasing, why be a buzz kill? certainly the media were part of that. let's not be the skunks at this party.
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>> we were all complicit, you would say. >> absolutely. >> you write that people, even in their now reduced circumstances, people will want to buy cars, houses, read quality journalism, really? there's a lot of bankrupt newspapers out there. >> i think the -- there is an audience for high-end journalist that i, for instance, look at the growth of public radio of which -- on which i happen to have a show. public radio, while the rest of journalism and media have been cracking apart into smaller audiences, while newspapers, the particular platform of newspapers as it existed in the 19th and 20th centuries has been dying, public radio's audience has been growing and growing. so, to me, that says, absolutely, there's an audience for quality journalism. >> public radio has the advantage of some government subsidies. >> tiny government subsidies.
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>> donald trump, you call him a clownish reality show artifact living the high life in manhattan and palm beach. the donald says this, kurt anderson has always been a third rate writer and an unsuccessful one at that. you two don't get along, do you? >> sometimes i feel like we're professional wrestlers, once a decade we're brought back to take punches, swings, scream at one another. you know, he is what he is. donald trump is an amazing creature of "the media" and entertainment and depends, as most of us depend on oxygen and sunlight for life, on the attention of the media. i guess i'm doing him a favor, a small favor in my one sentence in "reset." >> that's generous of you. i wonder if in some ways this book has not already been partially overtaken by events.
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i'm sympathetic to that. you write about the implosion of wall street, wall street seems to have bounced back with the big banks handing out big bonuses. >> wall street is changing, absolutely. yes. if you concentrate on the day's news, good, the dow is back up. the dow is still off 35% off of what it was two years ago at the peak of the boon. >> writing in the wake of barack obama's inauguration, which, of course, was so heavily trumpeted by the media and the culture, you say we seem to be heading into a knew era of racial reconciliation, lately we had the henry lewis gates controversy and other things. i think your reconciliation has hit a few bumps on the road. >> i was writing this book as early as may, early june, it's not as though i was in some inauguration day swoon while writing it.
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i don't suggest that we have suddenly, with the election of barack obama or with the recession, turned 180 degrees. i'm talking directionally about this swing of the pendulum away from the last few years. i think that's happening. yes we see people -- we see kind of crypto racist feelings attack this administration, yes, that will still be there. i'm still hopeful. it becomes somewhat -- it becomes harder to be quite as hopeful when one sees the nuttiness, the sort of glenn beck nuttiness, for instance -- >> since you mention his name. let me read a sentence that struck me in your book. i'll put it up on the screen.
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yet rush limbaugh has probably gotten more attention in the last six months than he has gotten in a long time and keith olbermann is not lacking the spotlight either. >> no, to me, it's the last hurrah of a discredited era where people substitute shouting instead of reasoned discussion. which, again, it's not going to go away overnight. but i think -- and people like glenn beck, rush limbaugh, keith olbermann are invested in a certain kind of anger. there is going to be a small number of americans who flock to that and respond to that. but a small number of americans is very good -- perfectly good business for a business model if you have a cable channel. >> that's a point i often make, you get a couple million people watching and you're a huge success, even though it's a small percentage of the culture. you write about the
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juvenilization of life, you say children scream and cry like glenn beck, but he is, at least by the standards of cable universe and radio talk shows a successful guy. you say it's a discredit to culture. where is the evidence of this. >> the last week, the adults n so far as they are running the consume procedure ducts companies that heretofo heretofore sponsored glenn beck have taken the wheel back. this is craziness this is extreme. we don't want our ads on his show. i trust the market over the long run to correct. i think glenn has found where the market is going to correct for his over the top nuttiness. >> but what would call nuttiness, don't people like glenn beck and cnn's lou dobbs speak for a certain disaffected
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portion of the population? >> but when it gets to the point of simply asserting untruths about birth certificates or about barack obama being a racist, you know, i can viscerally understand -- when my children, when they were small crying and screaming and telling lies. that doesn't mean i have to agree with them or pretend as though they're not acting up. >> how good is the mainstream media culture at providing some sort of antidote or corrective to things you might think or i might think, people with different political views might think are untruths, distortions by people with a big megaphone because they have a big television show or radio show? you have to do what you can do. i was watching one of your -- one of cnn's competitors, msnbc, and i saw dr. nancy snyderman
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doing a good job of moderating a discussion of health care. not screaming, not saying these people are stupid or nutty, but saying here's the facts. let's not pretend that there are anything such as death panels proposed under any bill in congress. and, so, all you can do is be reasonable, be fair-minded, try to tell the facts as they are. and hope that at the end of the day the good and the true and the real drive out the bad and the false. >> let's end on a less than profound note. in writing about the age of seconds excesses, you say so long paris hilton. if your point is the trivial cultural phenomenon that probably soak up too much of our attention are maybe -- are maybe fading what about jon and kate and octomom? there are always a couple going on and they get on network news shows and they get coverage.
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>> again, we are not going -- becoming a serious, earnest, only the economist reading culture overnight. i would suggest that we look at ourselves in a year or two or three and say is this culture a little more sane? a little more serious than it was in 2007? and i'm betting you'll say yeah. >> you have no doubt that the culture is heading in that direction despite some excesses of the past? >> i have doubts every day. we live on doubt. you know, the people without doubt are the crazy ones. no, of course. but do i -- do i still have hope and belief and a strong hunch that the winds of history right now are -- are blowing in the right direction? yeah, i. >> do if you're right, you will get bragging rights. if you're wrong, we have the radio tape. >> great. >> thank you. >> my pleasure. >> up next, charging for news. the era of free newspaper and
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magazine stories online may soon be ending. steve brill on why his new company won't scare off customers. ( revving, siren blares ) there's no way to hide it. sir, have you been drinking tonight?
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the body count isn't pretty. major newspapers in seattle and denver have died. both chicago newspapers are in shambles, along with almost all the others who have been laying off or buying out editors. readers digest is in bankruptcy as well. there's a growing consensus that print publications can't continue to give away goods for free on the internet but are enough people willing to pay? a new company called journalism online has signed up hundreds of clients to collect money from some of their online customers. steven brill, the lawyer, business man is founder of the company. i spoke to him earlier from new york. >> steve brill, welcome.
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>> good to be with you. >> as you know, newspapers, magazines have been giving it away online for free. people are used to getting for free. now they will suddenly open their wallets and pay? >> it's not going to be so sudden what they will be asked to open their wallets to pay for is going to be the most valuable, distinctive contest to various newspapers and magazines and online news sites are giving them. not all of them will be asked to pay. the idea is that a newspaper probably has 10% or 15% of its audience who are the most engaged who come to that website all the time. those are the people who will be asked to pay a small portion. the goal really is to say that there is valuable journalism out there, and it needs to be treated like valuable journalism. >> the other 85%, 90% will be free-riders because the most committed customer also fork over money? >> it's not quite like that.
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let's say a newspaper in a given month has 1 million visitors. 850,000 of those people may have came there casually through a google news search, came there once or twice but are not dev e devoted to the "washington post." on the other hand, 100,000, 150,000 of those people might positively have to see the "washington post" every day. they want to read your column. they want to read the stuff about lobbying. they want to read the stuff that makes the "washington post" the "washington post." those people will be asked to pay something typically getting a big discount if they already have a print subscription. >> i'll personally ask them to pay if they keep reading me. the great fear has been -- this has been tried before on a limited before. >> it hasn't been tried before. >> not the way you envision it. the fear is if you start charging something, it's all too easy for computer surfers to go clicking off to yahoo! aol, tmz,
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youtube and thats will plummet. >> that assumes that what you write every morning is fungable with what 100 other journalists do. it's not. a lot of people will pay for that after they sampled it 5, 10 times. or a lot of people will pay for coverage of the state department. most significantly, lots of people will pay for coverage in their hometown, in their hometown newspaper of the local zoning board or the high school baseball team because there's nobody else that is covering that. i think most americans understand that. in fact, most americans have been paying for that kind of coverage all their lives. now we're simply saying that the form in which you now get it, which is much more convenient and much faster, that that form shouldn't be free. that everybody made a mistake a long time ago. and what we're going to do is
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give you the convenience across thousands of websites of having one password and one account so that all you have to do is click once. >> just briefly, who decides how much to charge? i read the other day there might be a scheme where people could pay money to support specific reporting projects and reporting in a certain area rather than everything on the site. >> all of those decisions are left in the hands of the individual publisher. this is not any kind of group action. every publisher will decide what to charge for, how to charge, whether to allow people, for example to have ten samples a month before they charge or five samples or no samples. whether they will allow people to read the first two paragraphs of everything for free before they charge. whether they will only charge for big ten football coverage or everything else is free. there's a variety of decisions. what we're doing is giving them the flexibility and the ability to do that and giving customers
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the ability do that with one accou account. >> your detractors may say you started brill content -- >> your articles have been better. >> you had an airport fast lane security company, that after you left this year went out of business. why should people have confidence that you will make this one work? >> i have some very good partners this time in gordon krovitz, publisher of the "wall street journal" has made this work. second, i know you're limited in time, but you've listed two of the projects i've started. one of which did not work after i left. the other which, you know, brill's content was a noble effort that never gathered an advertising audience but i'm proud to have started that. i think my batting average is pretty good. this time i think the partners i have are better. >> in 20 seconds, what's at stake here? if this kind of effort fails, can newspapers survive without getting some revenue from the
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place where everybody seems to be gravitating, that is the internet? >> really isn't a significant news-gathering business that you or i can think of that has ever existed long-term as a viable business entity without getting two streams of revenue -- advertising revenue and some stream of revenue from the people you are asking to read it. so i think this is pretty important, but i also think that's why it will succeed. >> steve brill, we'll follow the progress of your effort. >> thanks, howard. after the break, the pentagon investigating journalists? and glenn beck beats up on a white house official without disclosing a crucial detail. our "media minute" straight ahead. you can do both. special lease offers now available on the 2009 is 250. that the bank of america really has the market cornered on.
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reporting alongside u.s. forces in afghanistan is one risky assignment. now the pentagon wants to make sure journalists are, shall we say, acceptable. the defense department has asked a private contractor to check out anyone who wants to become an embedded reporter. does this have to do with their experience in war zones? not exactly. according to stars and stripes,
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the renden group examines each journalist's work to determine if it's positive, negative or neutral. the stars and stripes recently barred one reporter from reporting many of the people in mosul want the american soldiers to leave. a letter from the military said the reporter was allowed to visit places where iraqis were committed to working with u.s. forces but "refused to highlight any of this news." the pentagon initially denied these facts, but that didn't smell right. on friday an army spokesman acknowledged the reports were used to deny access to two correspondents in afghanistan as recently as last year. if a reporter has been focused on nothing but negative topics, you're not going to send them into a unit that's not your best. there's no win-win for us. we're not trying to control what they report, but we are trying to put our best foot forward.
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by keeping journalists off the battlefield they are controlling what they report. glenn beck this week trashed a man named van jones a special adviser at the white house council on environmental quality. >> let's start at law school, where van jones showed up wearing combat boots and holding a black panther bookbag. a major turning point in 1993 when he was arrested during the rodney king riots. he spent the next ten years as full-fledged radical. founding the group called s.t.o.r.m., standing together to organize a revolutionary movement, which held study groups in the marxist and lennon teachings. why is it he has made it so high in the obama administration as one of his chief advisers? >> and why is it that the fox news host would target this relatively obscure
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administration official along with that scary music. van jones was a co-founder of color of change, an advocacy group promoting an advertising boycott of beck's show. some three dozen advertisers have pulled their spots from the beck program a detail that beck neglected to mention. still to come, selective editing. jon stewart, bill o'reilly and the reliable sources video that was cut off at an interesting moment. ( revving, siren blares ) there's no way to hide it. sir, have you been drinking tonight? if you ride drunk, you will get caught... and you will get arrested. dan marino influenced me and he really pushed me to get on nutrisystem.
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we can all agree, i think, that getting thing outs of context is not fair play, even in search of laughs. last week, we waited until a spat between jon stewart and bill o'reilly on "the daily sho show" mocking protesters. we did the fair and balanced thing saying that the coverage seems to have changed since the bush news we are honored our segment was featured on "the o'reilly factor" this week. but look at how it was edited. >> jon stewart on the daily show played some clips to that effect. bill o'reilly the next night had a rebuttal. >> when we go to town hall meetings we don't call the protesters loons. >> of course not! >> to be fair -- ah. once again, jon stewart took the loon clip out of context.
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here's what i really said. >> there are the anti-bush protesters here in new york city. why most of these people have been peaceful, more than 1,000 have been arrested, and many protesters are simply loons. >> sure the daily show does selective editing, but isn't there a serious point here? >> i guess so. >> you guess so madam? you guess so? >> just a minute, look at what she said seconds later about what the daily show was up to. >> certainly i think jon stewart's goal in all of this is to be funny first and probably accurate first-ish. >> she did zing the daily show over that piece what was it bill was saying about unfair editing? john king, as i turn things back over to you, the death of ted kennedy has turned into this remarkable television moment in recent days. you will talk more about that, right? >> w
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